More about Scotland

google "Lorn Furnace"
there is a lovely 2 min. youtube video of Bonawe Iron Furnace. It gives an idea of the size of the enterprise. But I doubt that when it was in action it would have been so peaceful and the musical birdsong heard quite so clearly. Some interesting information.

I don't know much about the iron industry, but there seems a link between Quakers and ironmaking.
I think I read somewhere that the move to Scotland was to have access to wood for making charcoal.

google "John Satterthwaite" Scotland
on googlebooks
Some account of the last journey of John Pemberton to the Highlands
Thomas Wilkinson 1810
"We passed on to Lorn Furness, and took up our lodgings at the house of John Satterthwaite, who, with his wife, were the only members of our society in the Highlands of Scotland. A meeting was appointed next day. John Satterthwaite took much pains in spreading information thereof through the neighbourhood, to a considerable distance.
In the morning many came several miles to meeting ; lakes and arms of the sea run up here among the mountains in various directions, which the people were seen crossing in boats from different quarters. A considerable number assembled, and behaved with remarkable solidity, without any appearance of lightness or of whispering ; and though it seemed scarcely reasonable to suppose any of them had been at meeting before, yet they sat as still and as orderly as if they had been trained up amongst us from their childhood."
Looking at the beginning of the book, the journey was in 1787.

The Scottish Satterthwaites

The Quaker records I look at are on Ancestry (a subscription site).
If you go into the card catalogue you can search for Quaker records - the collection you want is England and Wales Quaker records up to 1837. 1837 was when civil registration began and all the nonconformist organisations were invited to surrender their records. The Quakers did continue keeping records after this - for example Ancestry has latter Quaker records which Liverpool and Manchester meetings kept.

The Quakers records did change over time. By the time of John's birth they recorded a birth note.
If you put in John Satterthwaite born 1795 you should find

RG6/0935 QM Lancashire
On the twenty sixth day of the eighth month 1795
was born at the Lorn Furnace Airgileshire, North Britain
unto John Satterthwaite and Alice his wife
a son named John
witnesses
Mary MacDougall, Midwife
Elin McIntyre ?
Peggy McDougall
Ann Light????

Why was the record in Lancashire and not Scottish records?
John and Alice Satterthwaite at that time were the only Quakers in the Scottish highlands.
Where abouts in Scotland were they?
Near Oban
Why does it say North Britain?
Thats what they called Scotland at that time.
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Looking for a quaker marriage between a John Satterthwaite and Alice, there is only one.
Then looking for children of John and Alice. They may have had 8 children.

RG6/0153 MM Swarthmore
John Satterthwaite son of John Satterthwaite of Tockhow in the parish of Hawkshead yeoman and Martha his wife.
And Alice Park daughter of Edward Park of Skelwith in the parish of Hawkshead yeoman and Agnes his wife.
Married on the Fifteenth day of the fourth month called April 1786 at Colthouse Meeting House.
Witnesses relations
John Satterthwaite
Martha Satterthwaite
Edward Park
Michael Satterthwaite

RG6/1079 MM Swarthmoor
-On the first day of the fifth month called May 1787
was born at Lorn Furness, Argile, North Britain
unto John Satterthwaite and his wife Alice a son
named Dodgson John Satterthwaite
no witnesses - I have found no other reference to him.
-On the seventh Day of the first month called January 1789
was born at Lorn Furness in Argyllshire, North Breton
unto John Satterthwaite and Alice his wife a daughter
named Agnes
no witnesses
-On the fifth day of the eleventh month called November 1790
was born at Ulverstone
unto John Satterthwaite Butcher and Alice his wife a daughter
named Mary not sure about this one
witnesses
Rich. Jackson
Mary Dodgson 
-On the Thirteenth day of the seventh month called July 1793
was born at Lorn Furnace in the Parish of Macarne, County of Airgile
unto John Satterthwaite and Alice his wife a daughter
named Alice
witnesses
Malcolm McLaurin, surgeon
Margaret Ashburner
Sarah Harriman?
-On the twenty-sixth day of the eighth month 1795
was born at Lorn Furnace, Airgileshire, North Britain
unto John Satterthwaite and Alice his wife a son
named John
witnesses
Mary McDougall, Midwife
Elin McIntyre?
Peggy Macdougll
Ann Light?
RG6/0934 QM Lancashire
-On the fifteenth day of the twelfth month 1797
was born at Lorn Furnace in the parish of Macarn
unto John Satterthwaite and Alice his wife a son
named Edward
witnesses
Malcolm McLaurine, surgeon
Sarah Harriman?
Nanncy? McIntyre
Ann Lightburn ??
RG6/1007 QM Lancashire
-On the twenty-fifth day of the Fifth month 1800
was born at Lorn Furnace, Argyllshire
unto John Satterthwaite and Alice his wife a son
named William
witnesses
Cicely? McLauran Midwife
Sarah Harriman
Ann Lightbourn?
-On the first day of the sixt month 1803
was born at Bowsteadyeats, Ulverstone
unto John Satterthwaite and Alice his wife a son
named Daniel
witnesses
M Redhead, surgeon
Marey Dodgson
(all the above are in the form of birth notes)
RG6/0875 MM Swarthmore from a table of births
Born twenty-eighth day of first month 1806 at Bowsteadyeats
Michael son of John Satterthwaite of Bowsteadyeats yeoman

From RG6/0875 for the birth of John in 1795 his father John is described as a Steward.

So to recap
John Satterthwaite married Alice Park in 1786 at Colthouse
children possibly Dodgson John born 1787
                            Agnes born 1789
                            Mary born 1790 ?
                            Alice born 1793
                            John born 1795
                            Edward born 1797
                            William born 1800
                            Daniel born 1803
Between 1800 and 1803 the family moved from Lorn Furnace in Scotland to Ulverstone area, where they had a farm called Bowsteadyeats.

google Colthouse meeting house for lots of beautiful photos
google Bowstead yeats
on discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk is reference to conveyances for a messuage at Bowstead Yeats : families of keen of Dublin, Pirt of Bowstead Yeats; Colton of Egton, Dickinson of Ulverston, Ormandy of Mansriggs, Satterthwaite of Lorn Furnace, co. Argyll, Satterthwaite of Ulverson, Hodgson and Travers of Ulverstone, Machell of Pennybridge. These records are at Lancashire record office in Preston. I don't have any experience of looking at these kinds of records. But it does prove a link between Bowstead Yeats and Lorn Furnace.

My basic tree

My direct ancestors coloured red. Blue names brothers and sisters.
I will post references in a later post, to make this as easy to understand as possible.

Clement Satterthwaite
he had three children that became Quakers
Edward Satterthwaite
Dorothy Satterthwaite
William Satterthwaite married Agnes Braithwaite
he had six children
-John Satterthwaite
-Michael Satterthwaite married Esther Tyson
-William Satterthwaite
-Rebecca Satterthwaite
-Hester Satterthwaite
-Daniel Satterthwaite

Michael and Esther had 11 children
William Satterthwaite
John Satterthwaite  ********* married Martha
Rebecca Satterthwaite
Agnes Satterthwaite
Michael Satterthwaite
Mary Satterthwaite
Esther Satterthwaite
Samuel Satterthwaite
Margaret Satterthwaite
Clement Satterthwaite
Edward Satterthwaite married Sarah Park
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If I have it correct David this is where your line would come from, and we might well also connect through Sarah Park.
Your line would continue
John Satterthwaite married Martha ? (this is the missing marriage)
they had six children (need to check these)
Michael Satterthwaite
Peter Satterthwaite
John Satterthwaite  married Alice Park
William Satterthwaite
Elizabeth Satterthwaite
Esther Satterthwaite

John Satterthwaite and Alice Park went to Scotland.

Before they were Quakers

There is a website online by Paul Swan, and he explains why it is so difficult to take the Quaker Satterthwaites back into the parish registers to identify which families they belonged to. So really our family tree has to begin with the beginning of the Quakers. Basically our earliest known ancestor was called Clement Satterthwaite and there were two Clement Satterthwaites at that time. The will which might have solved the problem has not survived.
Now, although the Quakers kept records it is still hit and miss what you find. In theory the local meeting (called the monthly meeting which I abbreviate as MM) made an original record which was then sent to the regional meeting (Quarterly meeting - QM), but for some events you might only find one record another you might find four. Some are the same but occasionally you can find extra information. Some are very difficult to read, others beautiful. Not all the records survived. The Quakers were quite strict about marriage. It came to be that they were only allowed to marry other Quakers - if they married in church they could not continue to be members but (I am still trying to find out more about this, so I might be incorrect) could still attend. Their children were recorded in Quaker records with the notation that the parents were not in unity. However, not all children of ex-quakers are so recorded (did they give up attending meetings altogether?). I have several instances where there is no record of a Quaker marriage but I think we can be sure that they were married and it is just a case that the records have not survived.

Hawkshead parish

I hope you find your way here David.

I hope you are ready for an amazing journey into the past.

We are so lucky to have such an interesting part to our family trees.

I hope you find it as interesting as I have.

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I hope my other relatives also find there way here too.

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I do make mistakes.

I am far from an expert.

This is my interpretation of the information gathered so far.

I am learning all the time.

There are still missing pieces.

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I shall refer to the village as just Hawkshead. The parish of Hawkshead extends over a large area.

The Satterthwaites at the time when surnames were beginning, came from Satterthwaite (now a village about 4 miles south of Hawkshead) in the Parish of Hawkshead. The people called Satterthwaite  might not all have been related to each other. At some time some moved to Colthouse on the outskirts of Hawkshead. In 1652 George Fox came to Westmorland preaching and the Quaker movement developed. Several Satterthwaite families in Colthouse became Quakers, it is not known if they were related to each other. There were other Satterthwaite families that did not become Quakers.

The name Satterthwaite was very common. It is very difficult to identify and link everyone. There are many family trees online. 

Last year I was really lucky to be able to visit Hawkshead for the first time, and that has helped me understand our history a bit more. It is a beautiful, beautiful place - hidden away in a wooded valley and its very isolation from the rest of the world has preserved it in much the same way as it must have been in the distant past. There has been some new building but the centre remains as it was. It is a certainty that our ancestors even without knowing their names, were familiar with the market in Hawkshead and would have attended and been buried in the church which sits perched up above the village. It was quite an eerie feeling stepping inside that ancient place. In even earlier times, our ancestors would have been living under the influence of Furness Abbey and the mother church at Dalton. Colthouse is about 15 mins walk away along narrow lanes. Some of the original homes of those Satterthwaite Quakers are still standing, along with the Meeting House and a burial ground which I nearly missed. I think from early times the people had to find ways of earning a living because they could not be self sufficient in growing their own food. That and the lack of space meant that when children grew up, apart from the one taking over the family property, they would be forced to move away and seek a living elsewhere. 

Today Hawkshead is in Cumbria, but it was originally in Lancashire. Today it is linked with two famous people - Beatrix Potter and William Wordsworth. It means there is a lot of interest in the area.

H. S. Cowper has written two books which are really interesting to read - they are available to read online free at archive.org. The oldest Register Book of the Parish of Hawkshead, and Hawkshead the northernmost parish of Lancashire. Transcripts of the Parish Registers are also online for free on the site lan-opc.org.uk.

Elizabeth part 2

This may have been Elizabeth Boak's personal experience in her position at Warrnambool, where she was paid £50 and which she had decided to leave because the pay was too low. In the same letter, she wrote concerning her future:
I am not seeking a situation for a while as I have arranged to stay with my sister-in-law (she has a large school), as I intend to study. I am anxious to go for the Examination for Teachers for Government Schools. I shall feel very independent if I succeed in passing. It is hard work, but quite worth the trouble to get a certificate; one is then sure of employment and good pay.

Elizabeth Boake was correct in pointing to the good pay received by teachers in Government schools. (there then follows a discussion on the salaries of teachers and the state of education in 1867 in Victoria). Elizabeth Boake would have had difficulty obtaining a teaching position in a Government school when she first arrived in the colony, for the competition was fierce.
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As we know from Donnie's tree Elizabeth married in 1874.
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Other references to Elizabeth in the book -
Page 44 Elizabeth Boake, writing of her voyage to Melbourne as a first-class passenger on the Forest Rights, in her letter dated 23March 1867, said:'I would certainly advise a supply of medicines and some kind of pleasant drink, such as raspberry vinegar for variety; one gets so tired of lime juice!'
Page 25 said of her voyage of three and a half months in the Forest Rights, which arrived in Melbourne on 13 January 1867, that it was long and pleasant, 'my fellow passengers and the Captain were all so kind and attentive that the time seemed to pass quite quickly'. An Argus report of this voyage said that it had been protracted, mainly because of light winds and exceedingly fine weather. The passengers praised Captain R.H.Carey's courtesy and attention to their comfort.
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Elizabeth herself was not a Quaker, nor her immediate family but she was of Quaker descent.

Elizabeth Boake

I have been reading a book and came upon a Quaker reference. Well, as those who know me know well - off I go investigating following down the byways which seem to always yield interesting knowledge and that increase my understanding of Quaker history. I looked on ancestry trees first and sure enough found the lady in question - and the tree was very interesting. I know there are lots of problems with public trees on that site but I am really grateful for those who make their trees available. So thank you once more to Donnie whose tree provided me with much information and had a photo of the lady in question.

From this I googled and found, and Donnie has kindly also told me, a book "The Beech tree" by Dorothy Boake Panzer. It is available to read online at archive.org It would seem that there were Boake early Quakers in Cumberland, and that through persecution and lack of local support they moved to the Isle of Man and then to Ireland. This book explains how land in Ireland became available to the English. It also suggests that isolation from meeting houses might have been a reason for some Quakers to leave the faith. A very interesting read.

Now to the book that started this journey. "The Governesses letters from the colonies 1862-1882" by Patricia Clarke" published 1985. On page 78 there is a footnote "Elizabeth Boake and her brother Henry were born in Dublin, two of eleven children of Irish Quakers, William and Anne (Capel) Boake. Another brother, Barcroft, was the father of Australian poet and surveyor, Barcroft Henry Thomas Boake (1866-1892)."

The Female Middle Class Emigration Society was set up in the 1860s to support educated women to emigrate in the search for employment. Mostly this was loans. Work for these ladies was hard to find in the UK. The ladies repaid the loans and many wrote letters to the society. At the time that this book was written the records of the FMCES were held by the Fawcett Library,  City of London Polytechnic. The scheme was largely unsuccessful. The society was warned that there was not the overseas demand for governesses that they supposed by both officials and through the letters of the ladies themselves. Some 300 ladies were assisted.

"Elizabeth Boake, who arrived on the Forest Rights on 13 January 1867, was another who decided to try teaching in the government schools, after several jobs as a governess. Her first position was as a daily governess 'with Mrs Greene, who was acquainted with Miss Rye', at a yearly salary of £70, which she obtained while living with her brother, Henry Boake, a teacher, at 9 Charlotte Street, Richmond. In a letter wrongly dated December 1866, she wrote: ' I have met with great kindness everywhere - all my friends here think I have done wisely in coming out to Australia, so I have every reason to be satisfied with what I have done'.
By 26 February 1868, when she wrote again giving the Richmond address, Elizabeth Boake was employed as a governess with the family of a government official (unnamed) at Warrnambool, in south-western Victoria. she asked to be forgiven for not sending money: 'Our present Government is to blame! On account of what is called the "Dead Lock", which no doubt you will have heard of, the Government officials are not receiving their salaries and, as I have been for some time engaged in instructing children of one of these gentlemen, have suffered from the general complaint.' The 'deadlock' referred to occurred between the two Houses of the Victorian Parliament, when the Legislative Council rejected an Appropriation Bill in November 1867. Parliament was prorogued pending an election in February 1868 and payments suspended. Elizabeth's letter apparently was written over a period of time, for later in it she wrote that she had received her pay and she enclosed £28 for the society. She said she had no cause to regret e,migrating to Victoria, but she added: 'The Colony is well stocked with Governesses, many not able to find suitable employment'.
As she did with other emigrants, when she thought she had an informative correspondent, Miss Lewin kept the correspondence going, asking for opinions of prospects and conditions. In her last letter to the Society, dated 1 January 1869 and again addressed from Richmond, Elizabeth Boake replied to these questions:
I have very little experience on the whole, so thought my best plan would be to wait and get the opinion of older colonists than myself as I did not feel at all competent to give one on the subject in which you are so kindly interested. I have spoken to many lately and the general opinion seems to be that there are Governesses enough in the Colony.  A highly accomplished lady with relatives out here would do well, no doubt, but such people do quite well at home. The average salary seems to be £70 - and my sister gets £80 in Ireland! I never did, but that was my own fault, for I disliked going amongst dignified aristocrats....
I would not advise anyone in whom I was interested to come out here as a Governess - I have been fortunate, but I have many friends and relations here, thank God; but unless a lady is very talented and independent she had best stay at home, be that home ever so humble. People pay their Governesses scarcely more than the Cooks here. I heard a lady say, " I would willingly give my Cook £40 if she would stay'. At the same time the same lady 'could not afford to pay her Governess more than £50' and the poor girl had to do all the needlework for five children, besides housekeeping, teaching and the children were far advanced and very clever. Servants are really badly wanting here.